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Reactions to: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

10.02.2007

Greetings my friends,

Below you will find some of the email replies I received from the latest article "Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim" which is posted on our web site. First of all, I want to express appreciation to those who took the time to read my article, for it was rather long and included the stories of surviving Vietnam veterans and their honest question to God...why did I survive while my friends were killed or severely wounded in the war zone of Vietnam? For those of you who are believers in Jesus Christ "and" his teachings, I hope my article has helped you understand the serious differences between professing Christians who call themselves traditional pacifists, militant patriots, or remnant pilgrims when it comes to the violent wars among people and nations stirred up by the fallen angels.

Moreover, I hope that you can now clearly see there is coming a day when the God of Israel, the Lord Jesus Christ, will return to "make war" and judge every nation, including Iran, Syria, Russia, China, and America, Revelation 19:11,19. He will not be alone when he comes to destroy those who have gathered together to fight against him, who in their delusions think an extraterrestrial force is coming to conquer the Earth. For those Jewish and Gentile Christians of Revelation 19:6-8,14,19 who were previously resurrected and removed from the Earth to Heaven, will be the "armies" which will take part in the bloodbath God will inflict on all those who took the loyalty "mark" of the last President, the first Beast of Revelation 13. Some of you expressed surprise by this, thinking of Jesus only as that suffering Lamb who loves and offers forgiveness to his enemies who repent and confess their bondage to the sin nature we all possess. This is true and fundamental to our faith but he is more than that. He is also the God of justice and at his coming will separate eternally the foolish from the faithful. Paul taught the Corinthians that resurrected followers of Jesus, at his second coming, would "judge" the people of this world's political-religious-economic-military "system" and the fallen angels who created it in order to manipulate the masses who reject the blood offering for sin of Jesus Christ, 1 Corinthians 6:2,3,9-11,14,19,20.

By sending out this letter with a sampling of the many different replies received, I hope to generate some open and kind discussion among those who are interested in the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ concerning Christian involvement in war. When Jesus came to this Earth the first time he spoke freely and openly about his coming as a sacrificial Lamb of God to pay the death penalty for our sins. This at a time when the Roman Empire occupied and militarily oppressed Israel, God's chosen people. The Jews were only looking for a political savior. Only a few in Israel, like John the Baptist, understood his mission. He also cried out to his disciples that he would rise again, return to his Father in Heaven, and at some point in the future return to Jerusalem as the ruling Lion and judge of the living and the dead. That includes every one of us whether we be Jew or Gentile. And contrary to what most men in this world believe, we have all sinned against the God of Israel and rightly deserve the Hell our sin sends us to. Keep in mind that this fear of the Lord's judgment is the "beginning" of knowledge and wisdom, Proverbs 1:7, Psalms 111:10. Think about that for a moment and flee from the self-exaltation techniques of the psychologists, be they Christian or otherwise.

When I became a follower of Jesus in 1978, one of the first things I learned from God was how much he loved me and how he delivered me from the eternal death sentence that had hung over my head. Even though two-thousand years have passed, I saw in the eyes of my heart Jesus hanging on the cross for and because of me! I crucified him. He let me do it. The cross revealed the depth and horror of my sin nature. At the same time, God the Father revealed how much he wanted me to know what the characteristics of my sin nature were that caused his death, so that through his indwelling power of the Holy Spirit in my new heart I could live and walk with him and his teachings, knowing by faith the death sentence was removed only by his grace. I knew my heart or spirit was recreated and made pure, but soon realized the remnants of my inherited sin nature still lived in my mind and body and will exist there until Jesus returns in the resurrection. There was a war in my mind and I found myself at times giving in to the shameful sin nature that worked temptations in my flesh. After thirty years and the shedding of an ocean of tears, I'm still in this battle daily, aren't you? Know this my friends...it is alright for grown men and women to weep and mourn over their sins of the flesh that through Godly sorrow working true repentance we can be forgiven and delivered. Please read Galatians 5 and Romans 6-8.

Once we are born again in our hearts and our names written in the Book of Life, we can then overcome the fallen angels who tempt us, and our own sinful impulses that are stirred up in our minds and bodies. Jesus, now living in our new heart, doesn't condemn us when we sin at times, but he sure makes us uncomfortable and very convicted that these old sins of arrogance, militant pride, love of money and self, and hatred toward those who reject or want to harm us, must be dealt with and not just swept under the proverbial rug.

Some of you are thinking right now about these same sins in your life. You are beginning to realize the widespread "antichrist" teachings of militant patriotism, the seductive and alluring prosperity gospel, and the Christianized psychology of "self" exaltation are keeping alive your sin nature that needs to die on the cross with Jesus. That's good! Some of you who have not yet been born again want to stop practicing what you now know offends the Lord. That's also good! Some of you have fallen into thinking that you must conjure up the will and power to stop sinning, then God will be pleased and forgive you. That's not good! That is just another manifestation of the sin nature's "pride of this life" my friends. And it is a lie generated by the seducing fallen angels who are very religious. The only way to escape the power of our sin nature, both before and after we are born again in our hearts, is by confessing our sin to Jesus, by faith knowing that he has washed away our sin in his precious blood. This knowledge is given to you by the Holy Spirit and by faith in his power we can be free from the daily delusions of this world's political-religious systems. Wisdom then is applied knowledge. There is no hope for you and me apart from the blood of Jesus and the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit.

Remember, Jesus is alive and preparing to return to this Earth in judgment, so it behooves us to know what he said about that, so we too can prepare ourselves for that glorious day. I hope none of you have so closed and hardened the ears of your heart, that you will scoff at this letter and its contents. But even if you have decided to turn from the person of Jesus and/or his teachings, at least this letter and our attempts to reach out have continued the work of the Holy Spirit in convicting you of your desperate need to be washed in the precious blood of Jesus Christ.

As always, please forward this email to any friends or family members you think might be interested or who also need the eternal redemption that can only be found in the person and teachings of Jesus the Lord. Lastly, if you desire to be removed from future articles or letters please reply to this email and write "remove".

Your eternal friend,

Jack at: http://www.babylonthegreatisfalling.net

P.S. If you drop by my web site please let me know by signing the "guestbook" or dropping me an email. Thank you for reading this and I hope to hear from you soon. Again, if you have any interest in current world events, please consider reading my articles "The Judgment Chronicles" and "The Fundamentalist" posted on our web site. Just click on my web site link above and click on "Articles". The radio interviews I have been part of can be listened to by clicking on this link: http://www.thebyteshow.com/JackHook.html

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From: Adrian Sloan
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Dear Jack

Greetings in our Lord.

I enjoy reading your articles- they are always thought provoking. I basically agree with most of what you say. Please keep me on your list.

Adrian Sloan

From: crba575@aol.com
To: JDHook@cox.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Thanks

HI,

Thank you again for responding again, The Book is Unfortunate Sons It is written By L.D. James (Larry) The book brought many tears to me and memories of the letters my brother would write home... He and I were so close there were 10 kids 5 boys 5 girls and I was the middle and he and I share so much.

I had been told many stories about Nam when he was killed that day so many showed up at the house but I really rejected them being there because there were many who has spoke bad about things they did not know and it caused me to have much anger but years later God healed me from the hate and bitterness I felt.

I have look for years for someone who may have known him and there was one man who sent me picture's which was just a few and since I was young then My letters and things he had sent got misplaced when my Mom and Dad moved to another town.

I am proud of what you are doing and I know God is pleased it is like my ministry I had a good website but the ones that I was sharing with close it and no one knows why so I will have to do another one soon,,,,

I had a young man doing one but found out he was not truthful and was over charging me so it went down the drain I love the site but oh well things happen. Please stay blessed.

Blessings Hannah

From: Biblical Worldview Ministries
To: 'Jack Hook'
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:37 PM
Subject: RE: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Jack:

Overall good article although there are parts of it I have to disagree with. I have taught for some years that the United States is yoked to the New World Order and is the economic, commercial, and military arm of Mystery Babylon.

About this time in 1967, our outfit (1/1- First Marine Division) was operating south of Da Nang and were soon to be suddenly moved without any warning (the entire battalion) to Quang Tri Province in I Corps. A Marine Battalion (I think 9th Marines) was wiped out (1500 men with only a few survivors). I ran into one of them in 1995 in Tyler, Texas by accident. When we shared our accounts of that battle, we both realized that we were giving accounts of the same place - our battalion was rushed to replace his that had been wiped out. His unit had camped in an unprotected valley during the night and in the midst of heavy fog, two divisions of NVA surrounded and attacked his unit. The American public never knew about this battle as it would have been disastrous for Johnson if the news of a Marine Battalion completed wiped out by the NVA had reached the media. It was a shock to us and we were never told why we were suddenly moved over 100 miles to the north. We learned about it when we got there. By the time we arrived, all the dead and wounded had been moved and the only evidence of a battle was the smell of gun powder, spent cartridges, and scarred earth. We were moved to Con Thien shortly afterward and spent one miserable month on that muddy hill (It was during the northern monsoon).

Well, glad those days are behind me.

God bless.

Allen Barber

From: pggentrup@aep.com
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: Re:

Jack,
As a former member of the 25th Inf Div I'm
looking forward to reading things on your web site.
I'm super busy right now but hope to get to it soon
and see what's on there. I work at a power plant in
the corner where Indiana, Ohio & Kentucky meet and
have been working way too many hours this year. I
hope to retire next year and catch up on some things.
I'll let you know what I think of the web site as soon
as I'm able to look it over. I remember the ambush
at Hoc Mon very well and have read a lot of material
about it. I was thru Hoc Mon several times in my tour
at Cu Chi.
PG

From: Preston Powell
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: Thanks Preston

Hi Jack
I met Larry at a Manchu Reunion, I had friends that was lost in Charlie Company. I ask God that if He would keep me alive and let me make it home safe that I would live the rest of my life for him, and like you I had to live with the guilt of making it home and so many of my friends didn't. I was wonderful saved and filled with the Holy Spirit in 1982 and have been living for our Lord every since, and every day with my God is sweeter than the day before.

Your Brother in Christ
Preston

From: wayne mcveigh
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:18 PM
Subject: Re:

You hit a chord with me when you said Hoc Mon, I was attached to Alpha Co. C Co took our place that day and they got what I was supposed to get.

I lost two good friends in my squad as well as all the other brothers I saw just five minutes before it happened and then for hours and ho0urs after

I realized what happened and I got real p'd off and wanted to shoot everyone I saw.. I also found my Lt. he had a shop about 1/2 mile from my house

He really feels bad daily about them taking our hit. I was there to do the Demo from 65th Engr.

Grumpy

From: JOHN SILVA
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Dear Jack. This is the first time I have contacted you, but after reading your article:PPP, and reading the large article, I felt I should contact you, and let you know that I appreciated both articles. I also served in VN (64-65), altho not in the same manner, I was Casualty NCO for he USAF during this period. War and the results are the most horrible, you can't believe that people would treat and kill people in any manner that they can think of. Also, when you place young people in these position are changed for the rest of their lives. Some of the thing I witnessed in my position were things I'll never forget and I hope that Jehova allows me to be in this position again.

Theere is n't much more I can say, but thanks for the article. Please continue sending material to me as I enjoy reading them, and keeping me advised.

Again thanks, and keep up the good works for the Lord Jesus, and Jehova.

Your Friend. John Silva.

From: Betty Freauf
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Men in every war are nothing more than cannon fodder for the elite!

From: generalbates@comcast.net
To: jdhook@cox.net
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: Jack: Some Concerns

Dear Brother Jack:

I have some concerns about your August 1 post. You seem to suggest that, at some point, believers will pick up swords and kill non-believers, at Armageddon, you say, and not now. However, nowhere in Scripture is there any indication that resurrected believers have such a role, either then or now. In particular, this is a belief that could be misused to brainwash people in to geoing in to such an attack, perhaps through drugging them in to believing that they are dead (Hashishim of the Middle Ages).

Then, Christians and Torah Followers could then be labelled as "terrorists". Surely you see the danger of such a position?

Your friend always,
Bates

From: Buz Smith
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Jack:

Good article. The "war on terrorism" is being fought in Iraq and Iran so that those countries won't develop their own oil markets and start selling it to the world for Euros, or any currency but the Dollar. I'm sure you know that the only thing that gives the dollar its value is that it is required to buy oil from the NY and London markets. Bush and company got rid of Saddam because that was precisely what he was planning to do. As always, it has to do with money and earthly riches. I'm sure that you know that the Vietnam war was fought to keep possession of the tin mines that were there which supplied over 90% of that raw material to the electronics industry since it is tin that is used in making printed circuits in everything that has to do with computers, i.e., the entire banking and defense systems of the USA. I was informed by 2 general officers and one colonel, each on separate occasions, that half of the oceangoing cargo that was offloaded into Vietnam was mining equipment. They also confirmed that the "Cambodian incursion" was executed to send mining engineers into several tin mines there to see if it was worth the "blood and treasure" to go after those mines. The assays showed it was not. There were a number mines in Vietnam being totally scoured by the USA and the unprocessed ore was being piled up in the high desert country of southern California. The father of an old college friend was an ore boat captain on the Great Lakes and he and his ship made 4 round trips to bring the ore back to the USA. As soon as the mines were no longer "economically" (blood and treasure) viable, the Vietnam was was over. Most Vietnam vets do not like to hear these things. A little in-depth Internet research will verify these things.

BUZ

From: Steve Russell
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Thanks for your long letter. I read all of it and the
article link. I appreciate the spirit with which you
sent it. I do not subscribe to pacifism. I have many
reasons why. Perhaps if we should meet and discuss it
sometime, it would become clear. A study of the Roman
Centurian who caused Christ himslef to marvel due to
his faith might serve as a starting point.

I also think that it is important to not subscribe
things in Revelation beyond what is clear in scripture
for its own interpretation. As a Sunday School
teacher, I am currently teaching Revelation and have
done so three other times. Verse by verse. I am a
bit familiar with it like you. But I think we must
not add things that are not answered by other
scripture. America as Babylon and the President as
the anti-christ or some such is very much a stretch.

Babylon is geographically located where Iraq is. I
agree that we will see a rapture and resurrection and
a milleniel reign of Christ. But all of our endeavors
will further His ultimate will over Satan's design to
destroy God's creation and created beings.

Christ never commanded us to not take up the sword.
But He warned that those who do are also subject to
perish by it.

Steve Phil 3.13

From: Doug Krieger
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Jack - once again I am blessed to both read and hear of your fervent love for Jesus and your relentless pursuit of alerting God's people to their high calling in Christ! I really enjoyed this piece - from top to bottom (maybe it's because of my own military involvement during Nam) - may the Lord embolden us all the more as we see the day approaching. Jack, our eyes are on the Savior - but we are not ignorant of Satan's devices. Now, there's a group of "evangelical leaders" who have written to the President that Israel's land must be divided and that peace in our time can be achieved this way - just what is their agenda? Well, they are the "peace and justice" crowd determined to collaborate with the Prince of Darkness in orchestrating the infamous Covenant with Death, Agreement with Hell and, sad to say, they have many (bless God, not all) in Israel who, as in the days of Antiochus IV wholly agreed with the one who took both the kingship and the priesthood (the infamouse "Prince of the Covenant") away from Israel and hellenized the land - but, again, bless the Lord, there will be they who know their God and will do exploits!

The next weeks ahead of us shall be most pivitol - we're close - let us hold one another up in prayer before Him who takes our prayers and offers them up before the Father as sweet incense because these prayers are borne by the Lamb Himself Who alone is worthy and righteous before Him with Whom we have to do.

The Lord sustain you and yours as we press the battle, embracing the TESTIMONY OF JESUS - for it will be the Holy City vs. that Great City and all humankind will find themselves in one or the other on that day.

Toward full sonship - Bro. Doug

From: Craig
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim


Hello sir,

I read your article, and something stood out to me particularly.

You wrote, " . . . there is coming a day when Jesus will return in the clouds or atmosphere and resurrect the living and dead believers, then take us to Heaven to prepare us for the Battle of Armageddon seven years later . . . "

I'm not familiar with the teaching that says Jesus will 'take us to Heaven to prepare us for the Battle of Armageddon seven years later.' Where can I read that for myself in my Bible?

Thank you,
Craig Nankervis

From: Charles Dills
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim


Thank heavens we had religions. Without them we might not have wars that allowed me to fly P-40's, P-47's and P-51's. What fun!


It was religion that allowed me to kill the enemy with a clear conscience. I never enjoyed doing it because I was not a really good Christian. I was a back slider, maybe even an agnostic or heaven forbid, an atheist. But I did what I felt I had to do. When a higher rank told me to go out an be a good Christian soldier and do my duty. I did it. I was not old enough or smart enough to have misgivings. All I wanted to do at the time was live through it.

 

Thank goodness there was religion to relieve me of my guilt. In 94 missions strafing and dive bombing I suspect I hurt some people but I don't need to feel guilty about. Because I was right!


Wasn't I????????? ---Chas---

From: Danny McDowell
To: JDHook@cox.net
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim


Jack,

Thanks for the article. Though we differ in our eschatology, I deeply
respect your commitment to reveal Babylon to the American people. I will be
traveling to Uganda this year----------on the heels of Hinn, Dollar, Hagee,
and others. These American False Prophets have ravaged Africa with the
Prosperity Doctrine, and the War Mongering of Hagee and others. I am taking
dvd's, and what ever I can find on the subject. I will be teaching Bible
Prophecy, and New Testament Christianity in the churches. Kato Mivule will
be my host.

Again, I really appreciate your grit------hang in there. Danny McDowell

From: david sheppard
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim


Jack:

As always, I enjoyed reading your article. I too, the more I see what is transpiring and research the events that have taken place such as The Civil War, World War I and II, Korea, Vietnam, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, The London Bombings and 911, agree that America is Babylon. The deceptions that have been bombarded on the America people both personally and through the events listed above are the works of evil men, and as you suggest, fallen angels. Your stories brought back the memories of my tour in Vietnam. I am sending, as an attachment, that partial story for your review. If I have previously sent this account, forgive my repetition. May God, in his wisdom and through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, continue to bless your efforts and those of your friend according to the good pleasure of his will. Thanks for sharing your accounts.

Your brother in Christ,
David

From: dennhad4@aol.com
To: JDHook@cox.net
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Brother Jack,

As always, your articles are very interesting and right on scripturally. God help those who are seeking the truth to find your website. We are truly living in perilous times for Christians. Most have bought into a false salvation message that will lead them down a broad road to desruction. Your articles points out historically how this came about, the militant style of Christianity that has been with us from the time of Constantine.
Satan knew how to seduce the vast majority of mankind. Mix a little patriotism with Christianity and plan wars and then have militant patriotic pastors preach to their congregation about their civic duty to fight these wars for the rich men. A very famous US General said after world war II was finished: "It is a rich man's war and a poor man's fight." In reality, this is very true. The plan of Satan was always to plan wars, and thru modernization of war machinery and materials, a progressive society would eventually emerge that would have technology that would be considered borderline miraculous. Well, look at our technology today with computers and the computer chip technology that is used profusely by the worlds military. Amazingly, America controls this incredible technology though, just as prophesied in the Bible, as Babylon the Great.

However, America has really been in a state of slow decline economically and politically since the late 1960,s as planned by her controllers, the illuminati elite. She will fulfill every parameter laid out for Babylon the Great in Revelation and Jeremiah. There are more than 140 parameters that mark the United States of America as Babylon the Great. The American Christians have bought into the idea that "America sits a Queen and shall see no sorrow". Yet shall her sorrow all come in one day according to the Bible, and she shall be utterly burned.

Brother, we must pray for our loved ones, friends, and acquainteneces, that they will come into the sheepfold before this all occurs. There literally is no other reason to live, than to spread the Gospel of the Good Shepherd, the eternal Saviour, our Lord and Master, Jesus Christ.

I want to encourage you to continue in your ministry of spreading the truth of God's Word, and warning about the apostacy that has overtaken the Modern Church today. The vast majority are so taken in by the false militant Gospel that is spewed from the pulpits of today's Church's, that they have no idea who America really is in prophecy. One would think that, just Americ's supremecy in the world would be a wakeup call to the Christians. But, it is not to be. The American Christians, and Christians all over the world remain in their sad state of slumber, and their eyes see not and their ears hear not, and thus they shall die in the fires. Keep up the good work. It is possible that a few will be won to the Kingdom of God, while there is still yet a little time.

In Christ's love,
Dennis Haddix

From: Jeff Dyrek
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Dear Jack,

Thank you very much for your article. I now have a better understanding of how the devil is working in our world. I listen to a preacher almost every night and he explains these these things very much like you do, but your viewpoint makes it very clear and I agree with you ten thousand percent. When I look at how our veterans are being treated on TV plus in jail, and how Paris Hilton and the other, so called, stars are treated, I realize that it's just a matter of time. It's not if, it's when. Now I know why the preacher is saying that you can't save the world, it's because the devil loves war and the world is controlled by the devil.

I sure did a lot of reading tonight, I actually had to wear my glasses to read for such a long time. I'm a disabled veteran and I've been very close to death too many times, but one time a loud voice came to me, not to my ears, and said, "There's a reason that your're alive." I was laying on the bottom of a cliff at that time, bleeding and in a lot of pain. I was an athiest then too and remained an athiest for many years afterward, but I have found the Lord about twenty years ago and his presence has grown stronger in me every day. When you pick up the newspaper and then pick up the Bible, the say the same thing, except the Bible is more accurate and not biased.

Jack, I live in a garage, I have no money, and I many times have to lay down for two years at a time, and yet I go places that only the rich can afford and these trips have been chosen for me, not by me. This is why I am writing, "Why God Sent Me to the North Pole."

Thank you very much and have a nice day.

I have placed your letter on my website and have many links to your site.

Thanks again,

Jeff Dyrek. Webmaster
http://www.yellowairplane.com

From: DThomp6161@aol.com
To: JDHook@cox.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Jack,

I too have memories of dear Navy friends lost during the war in Vietnam but I have no regrets because I know they were carrying out God' s will whether it was His perfect or His permissive will. I do not trouble myself with distinguishing between God' s perfect or His permissive will nor with such things as "just war doctrines".
I am confident and happy in knowing that God is carrying out His good will and plan for earth and that He allows me and my friends to participate it. If some of us should die, we have the hope and confidence that we will soon be resurrected into God' s kingdom on earth just as Jesus was resurrected.

This is what the book I sent you is all about: www.thefellowshipofthemysteryofgod.com

Here is a note I just sent to my sister and two friends that touches upon God' s thinking as opposed to our thinking.

Dave Thompson

Cathee and Donna,

Here are some statements concerning the power of belief that I took from a bogus Internet article entitled, "The Power of Belief". There is also modern day wisdom which says...

"Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you're right." - Henry Ford

"The person who sends out positive THOUGHTS activates the world around him positively and draws back to himself positive results." - Norman Vincent Peale

""You can have anything you want if you will give up the belief that you can't have it." - Dr. Robert Anthony

Or maybe you're the type that needs something a little more spiritually based to convince you. How about...

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move." - The Bible, Matthew 17:20

For most of my what I have called my "Born Again" Christian Life, I must confess that I have been confused by these words, especially these words of Jesus. But I now realize that this confusion was caused by Satan not by God. The confusion came when I chose to look at things from my perspective and not from God' s perspective, i.e., when I chose to lean toward my own understanding not trusting in God' s understanding.

From my own understanding and perspective it seemed Jesus was saying that if I had faith, I could simply say to a mountain, "move" and it would move. But when I tried to muster up faith and say "move" the mountain never moved and Kenneth Copeland and other so-called "word of faith" ministers would chastise me telling me I did not really have faith otherwise the mountain would have moved. But this made me even more confused. I knew Jesus was not lying but somehow I was not able to have the faith that so easily moved mountains. I tried to rationalize it but to no avail. I had to admit I was very confused and I somehow knew Satan was the cause of my confusion but how he was able to confuse me I did not understand---until the day that God revealed to me the vast difference between my "own understanding" and my own thoughts and His understanding and His thoughts. God revealed that from my perspective I could never understand His perspective. My perspective is forever separated from His perspective--my perspective is the ways of death (or separation) as King Solomon says. My perspective is the perspective of my self, which Jesus says must be denied.

God showed me that Jesus always did what he saw his Father (God) doing. He was able to see what his Father was doing through the eyes of faith that God gave him. If his father was healing someone then Jesus was healing that someone. If God was calming the winds, then Jesus was calming the winds---however, if God was not healing or calming the winds then neither was Jesus healing or calming the winds. With respect to moving mountains through faith, God has been at work removing mountains (the kingdoms of Satan) replacing them with His kingdom on earth in fulfillment of Biblical prophecy so that eventually voices in heaven will be saying "the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of the Lord and of His Christ and He shall reign forever and ever." Therefore, when we see, through the eyes of faith, that God is removing evil kingdoms such as Hitler' s and Saddam' s, using His allied military forces (American, British etc), we can say to those kingdoms "move" and they must move. As the song goes, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition and we' ll all be free."

In His majesty's Secret Service,

mr davey

From: Ssgc21@aol.com
To: JDHook@cox.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

JD,
This is one hell of an article I read it over twice and the link twice. I know the feeling you had about TET. I was at Plekiu with the 4th ID. My Grandaughter is a Journalist with the Oreganian and i am forwarding this to her.
take care Brother
we will meet on the big prade field some day. We have news of one of our young men from Monroe to day who paid the ultimate price

Troyce

From: Chris Evans
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:15 AM
Subject: Insight

hello again Jack,

I don't mean to bother you but I am still reading some of your literature. In the one article you said, "How are we to fight, if at all", and also, " Are the extreme pacifists right"? Mine is not at all an argument, simply a point, the bible says, "that our fight is not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities and rulers of darkness". It say, "our fight" and we do have spiritual armor and weapons so, if God says it's our fight and we have, God given weapons and armor, then yes, I believe we are supposed to fight in the spiritual war that is taking place in the heavenlies.

I would just like to know what you believe about that.

Thanks,
Chris Evans

From: Wayne Schlichter
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Dear brother Jack,
I just finished reading your email, and thank you, once again, for reminding me of these things. I was much encouraged by your letter. We are truly living in a deceptive world, and our only hope is the Lord Jesus Christ. I am looking for His soon return.
God bless, Wayne

From: emmanuel bejin
To: JDHook@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:35 AM
Subject: RE: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Hello Jack,
It's been a long time we haven't got in touch, but I do check your website and appreciate very much your articles. In your recent article, you talked about the emerging antichrist who will be the last American president. I know that Islam is the opposite of Christianism, and while we christians are waiting for Jesus, our Messiah, the muslims also, are waiting for their messiah which I think will be the antichrist the Bible talks about in Revelation. My question is that: will the last American president be the muslims' messiah? if not, what part will this last one play in the end times.

thanks, your brother in Christ
Emmanuel

From: mydastrust@hotmail.com Trust
To: JDHook@cox.net ; mcking2k4@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Jack ,
The war in Iraq is as contrived and unnecessary as was WWII, Korea, and
Vietnam. The events of 911 were a massive fraud on the American people. I
have studied those events as well as the 911 Commission. This President is a
LIAR. He ignores the people as does the U.S. Congress.
It will not surprise me if another terrorist event is perpetrated upon
this nation before the next election, whereby the executive branch will
declare Martial Law. This will collapse the stock market and force the
economy into the one-world system.
After that, it's only a matter of time....

Steve

From: richard tassey
To: JDHook@cox.net
Cc: tassey_7@msn.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: hello Jack

Hello Brother Jack

It is Richard Tassey and I just had to write you. I am the one who spoke to
you on the phone and I am so glad for you...It is all true Brother. I am
going to call you Jack the Giant killer because you are just like me and we
will stand for the lord and receive the crown of life. I was also told by
the lord the same thing and now you confirm the truth...This has been in my
life ever since I was a little boy of three and at seven the lord called
me...But it was a very different way then most people are called. I was also
chosen to know just as you and the Devil has a very short time before the
great GOD and lord Jesus who became sin for me so as I would not have to see
GODS wrath..Keep up the fight Jack and be strong....See you in the true
fight and that is the love of GOD perfected in all who truly care for the
hurting in this world (WE WILL BE CALLED THE SON AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD)


From: geoffchamberlain@bigpond.com
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:56 PM
Subject: Thanks for the Article PPP

Read it and I do believe evry word of it - keep up the good work - Another Viet Nam Veteran from from Down Under and all as true here as there - By the way what part of the States do you live in. I have relatives abd friends in Texas, California and Oregan and look forward to another visit soon I hope! At the moment I am involved in a project with two other like minded souls - We have built a replica Stagecoach from the ground up (known here as a Cobb & Co Coach) and we are traversing the Cobb Highway in October to raise money for Breast Cancer research . It has been and indeed still is a lot of work, but a labor of love, including getting the horses going (in the right direction - forward) . All the best to you Jack - GRC

From: swordlily48
To: JDHook@cox.net
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: Thanks for your latest Article

Hi Jack,
Thanks for your latest article. Just last night I watched for the first time...the movie..Black Hawk Down, and this morning I found your article "Pacifist, etc.". I have some people in town here that will be interested in your article and I am going to print it out and bring it to the meeting to hand out. They are Pacifist and Patriots.

Vivian

From: Trevor O Morgan
To: JDHook@cox.net
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Hello Jack, Thank you for sending me this information. I haven't gone to
your site yet, but plan to. I just have to tell you I lost my dear
brother Roddie Perry in Viet Nam on June 3, 1969. Roddie earned a silver
star for his heroic efforts in Feb. 1969. Because of losing him I have a
very special place in my heart for all veterans and try to do as much as
I can for them. I just wanted you to know this.
Thank you so much
Patsy Perry Morgan

From: red86r80rtbmw@aol.com
To: JDHook@cox.net
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot,

Jack,
Shame on you!
Shame Shame Shame. If ever there was a Sky Pilot, you are that person.

While I support your right to your opinion, How dare you use the Vietnam war to advance you evangelical cause.

If the Christian right had not highjacked our government, we would not be having our brothers and sisters in uniform dying for no good purpose.

Vietnam was wrong, but this war is worse in every way.

There used to be a bumper sticker that asked, What if Vietnam had oil?

Well , Here we are, a Vietnam with oil. and you know what, the outcome will not be any different.

I can't support any supestitious belief system (religion) that asks its congregation to go to war and martyr them self for the faith.

Rather than war for god, I would rather have peace for atheism.

Self defense or the defense of your home land. perhaps the only reason for war.
Religion is not a valid reason to go to war.

Jack, I wish you and everyone else health wealth and happiness.
I wish you peace.

Please stop using the tortured emotions of war vets to advance your cause.
I respect your right to freedom of superstitious belief. don't abuse your freedom by twisting the patriotic anguish of veterans to support your missionary goals.

A pacifist patriot born of the Vietnam war.
Pete Bingham

From: Ron White
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Hi Jack,

Enjoyed reading the articles. I was in BanMeThuot for two years, including during the 1968 TET Offensive. As intelligence officer, I predicted the offensive two months before it happened, then 30 days before the offensive began, I predicted the day and hour it would start. Everyone thought I had lost it -- a loonie. Senior officers would look the other way and pretend I wasn't there when I would salute them -- enlisted and junior officers would ignore me and not salute -- until the offensive began. Senior officers would run me off when I tried to sit at their tables in the mess hall. THEN they all began to salute me first, even a full hundred yards away, even though they didn't have to do so -- senior officers saluted ME first -- AFTER the offensive began -- and they invited me to sit with them at their tables. Afterwards, others said that my actions to get our senior advisors to put a regiment of APCs with 90mm recoilless rifles and loaded with infantry on holiday the night before TET, then having them "on duty" the night of TET, saved our bacon. We had no U.S. units in Darlac Province, and Darlac was a target for an entire NVA division plus two or three regiments plus two or more independent battalions to capture and hold hostage in TET 1968 as well as in a later offensive. Interrogations of POWs confirmed this both times.

I've written a lengthy email to a couple of officers with whom I served in Ban Me Thuot, asking them if they had recollections of events that might have been the basis for three silver stars that one of my senior officers later said he endorsed for me (never received or awarded). I'll send you a copy, if you're interested in reading some of the actions of my two years.

Besides the possible three silver star recommendations, Darlac Province was the only province that reportedly did not receive the Presidential Unit Citation that all other advisory teams reportedly received. I think I may have (somewhere) the only existing "After-Action Report" of the 1968 TET Offensive of Advisory Team 33 and other advisory units in Darlac Province -- I should probably submit the report and ask that our units be awarded the Presidential Unit Citation. We fought heavy battles day and night for over two weeks. About 1/3 to half of the city of 80,000 was burned or destroyed and hundreds were killed.

I agree with you that the U.S. is the only nation on earth who fits all the biblical descriptions of mystery Babylon, especially Revelation 18:1 thru 19:5. For folks who don't know this and don't make the association, most will put their patriotism above biblical descriptions and possibly be on the wrong side of right and wrong. (I encountered this exact scenario during the past two weeks, when talking to a Catholic friend who was also a marine -- he hears from the Holy Spirit on occasion and heeds His voice. He gets angry when anyone suggests that America will ever be destroyed or attacked by outside forces of any nature, and says he'll kill all of them he can. Of course, he is thinking of terrorists, primarily Muslim extremists, and he doesn't read the Bible very much.)

But if one reads about the angels and heaven exalting over the fall of mystery Babylon, it puts things in a totally different light about how we should view our beloved country for which we served and could have died. When God tells His people, "Come out of her My people lest you share in her sins and receive of her plagues" (Rev. 18:4), this tells me that we should probably pull out of voting for CFR folks holding national office and pray for our leaders and those in authority over us, as commanded. The recognition that the USA is mystery Babylon is a difficult pill to swallow for military patriots and one that was agonizing for me to accept.

I just heard on FOX News this morning, interview with retired admiral Nash, that intel agencies are noting more and more Russian military flights over American soil, and there is nothing we can do about it, according to his report. His sources indicate these flights are for recon as well as simulated bombing runs to attack America. Vladimir Putin denies the reports and says they are mere routine training flights being reported as scare tactics. (Others inside Russia suspect that some of the so-called terrorist attacks in Russia are actually being done by the army and former KGB agents as a ruse and to give the world the impression that Russia is also a target, when in fact, Russia is the best ally Arab Muslim extremists have on the globe. Russia is the number one supplier of arms and ammunition for America's enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq, second only to Iran in IEDs. Admiral Nash and others have indicated that Russia has sold its nuclear technologies and materials to Arab states that are known terrorist nations. Russian advisors are also reported helping Iran and other terrorist nations, similar to what the U.S. did when the then Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. The Cold War has not ended. Every nation on the globe either resents America or they hate America and want her destroyed -- the lone exception is Israel. When America is under severe attack, Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies, according to Luke 21 -- most assume Jerusalem will be surrounded ONLY at the battle of Armageddon, but they should read and understand the events of Luke 21:20, which is the exact same period of time Jesus described at Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14, which is the near mid-point of the tribulation period. Jerusalem will be surrounded at or near the same time the Antichrist sits/stands in the temple claiming to be God, which is at the near mid-point, when he breaks the "covenant with many" of Daniel 9:27.)

Judgment is coming. On America. 1 Peter 4:17 says, "For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God, and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?" Not just on America, but on the church. On the church FIRST! That judgment is described in detail in the trumpet judgments until the "last trumpet" sounds at Revelation 11:15, in compliance with 1 Corinthians 15:51, 52. God's "wrath" begins at Revelation 16 "for His wrath has come" -- the entire 7-year period is not God's wrath -- the first part of Revelation through the seven seals and seven trumpets is God's judgment, not God's wrath.

1 Corinthians 15:51, 52 says the resurrection happens at the "last trumpet" and those alive will be "caught up together" near simultaneous with dead saints (in the twinkling of an eye difference in time). Revelation 20:4-6 says the "first resurrection" (singular) is the resurrection of dead saints, those who shall be priests of God and shall reign with Christ for 1000 years -- the second resurrection is of the wicked dead and happens at the end of the 1000 years -- it's impossible for there to be two or more resurrections/raptures of believers -- there is only one resurrection/only one rapture, only one more "coming" singular, and it is at the last trumpet, Revelation 11:15. The vial/bowl judgments are God's "wrath". It will still be possible to accept Christ during the trumpet judgments, but impossible after the trumpet judgments and impossible during God's wrath/bowl/vial judgments.

We are evidently living in a period of apostasy. As the restraining force of 2 Thessalonians 2 is removed (which has been a gradual removal that is about to be completely removed so that lawlessness and apostasy will be worse than anything we've seen), more professing Christians will renounce Christ than anytime in history. Thankfully, it will also be a time when the greatest of all revivals of souls happens -- primarily those who want to know truth. Revival won't happen with lukewarm professing Christians nor those who have an incorrect view of end times -- they'll be so disillusioned and angry at being deceived by their trusted shepherds and leaders that they won't know whom to believe -- the majority of them may fall away and become apostate also. (Contrary to popular beliefs in some denominations, the "eternal security" doctrine, once-saved-always-saved, won't be any more than a false belief at such a time. The majority of such believers may also become apostate. It's good to remember that one can't "fall away from" or become apostate unless one once believed -- one can't "fall away" from something one never had in the first place. The eternal security doctrine is a deceiving doctrine that will cost many their eternal hope. Likewise with Catholics who erroneously believe they go to heaven if they are water baptized -- they base this doctrine on Mark 16:16, "he who believes and is baptized shall be saved." They don't understand that this means baptized in the Holy Spirit, not water, and other conditions for salvation and eternal life, which includes faithfulness and obedience to God and His Word.)

Regarding the subject of your article and the pacifist question, Revelation 14:12 says, "Here is the patience (steadfastness, perseverance) of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." One may have every right by state or local or federal laws to defend self with arms during this period of time, but one can expect to die physically in the same manner -- "he who kills with the sword (military weapon) must die by the sword (military weapon)," Rev. 13:10.

Let me know if you'd like to receive the Vietnam experiences. Again, thanks for sharing.

Ron White

From: Jim Bramlett
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Interesting commentary. Well-written. Thanks. My dad was infantry in WW2 and landed at Normandy.

You are misquoting and misrepresenting some of those TV ministers. Be careful that you do not get involved with slandering other believers.
Jim

From: Judithgailc@aol.com
To: JDHook@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

I am a Vietnam-era vet and a practicing member of the International Church of Religious Science. We do not believe in war, or in the second coming of Christ.

From: Swiftdb5@aol.com
To: JDHook@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

OK Jack:

Agree with the fact that the sin nature is reason for war.

OK, so we (politicos--Kennedy, Johnson) decide to fight communism and go to work in VN. So one might conclude that 'fighting communism' is not reason enough to take up arms. That is something that we were taught as kids. During cold war. Communism is wrong. Capitalism is right. Therefore we are justified in going to war to prevent spread of something that is against USA. I can see that argument. I guess... sorta.

But take today's situation:

What about 911? What is right?

Or Iran threatening Israel with nukes. Would it be wrong to intervene? Or to help Israel? Would it be wrong for Israel to launch pre emptive?

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

Sincerely,
John Brewer

BCT Ft. Ord 1966
Recon AIT Ft. Knox 1966
OCS Ft Knox 1966-1967
Aide de Camp MG Ellis W Williamson Ft Polk 1967-1968
BCT Company Commander Ft Polk 1968

From: littlejohn123@tds.net
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Thanks Jack i always enjoy reading your articles . I am retired and dont have a lot to do and it is always nice to have something nice to read especially from a fellow Vietnam vet. Hope you are doing good in all your projects . Good to hear from you again . Good luck in all your endeavors .
Say hi to all your family for me and the verry best in everything you.
From a friend and a fellow Vietnam vet. Mack
--have a wonderful day From Mack (Littlejohn)

From: Michael Thiel
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Jack: I hope that I am a pilgrim pacifist whose citizenship is in heaven, but who wants to keep occupied until Jesus returns. There are two statements regarding Babylon that never leave me: "she made the whole world drunk with her madness' and "Babylon says, I will not suffer". This fits America more than any other nation.

From: JOSEPH SARACENO
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Greeting Jack:

This is pretty good, but as you say there are just wars.

Problem with the Vietnam war was that the communist U. N. and the Communistic pope Paul VI boycotted this war and sold out our Christian brothers. That's why we lost the war.

God of Israel should be God of Christians.

Every disorder in the world is a reflection on Mortal Sin.

Hitler wasn't a practicing Christian and was on drugs.

When Christ comes back it will be for the general judgment and all will go to either to Heaven or Hell,,,,,end of this world.

Armageddon, just means " the last battle between good & evil.
It's not necessarily physical and if anything, it's more spiritual.

The Jews are no longer God's people but God is going to give them a second chance to repent before the end as He will with all the world.

Your views on the Bible are Protestant and need fine tuning.

Send for my booklets if you really want to help or work for Jesus Christ.

In Christ, the Prophet, Joseph B. D. Saraceno

From: Debra Rae
To: 'Jack Hook'
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: A Vietnam Veteran's Confession

Dear Jack,

First off, I thank you for the sacrifice you have made for our country. Vets deserve honor and appreciation, more than what they get! How true that all of us were born into this world with a sin nature filled with the pride, love of money, self and carnal pleasures. I couldn't agree with you more. That you are offering Jesus as the answer is wonderful, and I'm greatly encouraged to learn that many vets are open to your message.

The "blinding spirit of pride that consumes the militant patriots of the right wing religious zealots" is an interesting concept, one to which I have given considerable thought. In Chapter 11 of my second book, I address "Jingoism" under these categories: Rightful Patriotism, Radical Patriotism, and Partiality in the Pew. The idea is to expose, as error, warmongering patriotism smacking of idolatry, but all too often advanced by the church.

I'm sure you agree that it's not so much about politics or partisan faith, but it is all about Jesus Christ. I perceive that theme throughout your writings, and I love hearing your testimony as to how your eyes (and your wife's eyes) were opened to the truth! Your written testimony on the web page is heartwarming, articulate, biblically sound and engagingly humble. I am certain that, with all the hits on your site, you've touched many lives as a result of it. In fact, I'm very impressed with your entire web site. It is well appointed and full of substance.

Too few link their beliefs with Bible truth. On the other hand, you've been very careful to substantiate your theological grid scripturally, and I really respect that. I'm also pleased to see that you have a voice on the radio. What you have to share is vitally important, and you are a credible witness, deserving of a platform. I look forward to exploring your work further.

In His service, Debra

From: Jim Skinner
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Jack,

For one that appears to have a relatively clear view of the absurdity of political and religious hypocrisy it is difficult for me to understand why you then go on to advocate a second coming (of Jesus). Religion (in any form) is lunacy.
Jim Skinner

From: Dan McKinney
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:23 PM
Subject: Fw:

Jack,

I'm not sure how you obtained my name and others but I'm interested in
reviewing your web site as time permits. You might be interested to learn
I'm a wounded survivor of the March 2, 1968 Hoc Mon ambush. I was so certain
I was dying that I had said my final prayer, asking God to please comfort
and bless my family. I was and am a Christian who believes God just wasn't
done with me yet. So I have been blessed to have an extra measure of life in
order to live for him and serve him. Although I've often failed him, I still
strive to be faithful just as he is ever faithful to me. I'm especially
blessed in many, many ways!!!

My guess is the Larry you speak of is also my friend, Larry Ward. Am I
correct? If so I can relate several add'l moments and info concerning our
relationship.

Would you also be kind enough to provide the specific link to the archive
story about Phil and Hoc Mon? I was unable to locate it.

Bless you brother,
Dan McKinney

From: Greg Parker
To: Jack Hook
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: New Article: Pacifist, Patriot, or Pilgrim

Dear brother Jack;
This is one incredible article and took me (the Encephalitis survivor) quite a while to read and comprehend correctly via the Holy Spirit. I too am a Vietnam vet that never went there and by the grace of God was saved @ 1st Baptist in Altus, OK (after escaping a horrible childhood back east). Reading on, I found your incredible words to be amazingly true and follow several other of my minister friend's point of view and belief. There is no doubt that we are truly in the Last Days so I try my best with what's left of me, to serve and obey, for there's no other way!!! With the memory part of this 53 year old brain severely damaged and continuing, I have no regrets now and wait on God for my next step.
TTFN&PTL;
brother Greg

 

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